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Shamita Basu

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1496 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Scott went undercover in the group, and he told me about an incredibly close call that happened about a year into the investigation.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

It was late November of 2006.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Scott was hanging out in the gang's clubhouse in southern Massachusetts, sipping a Jack and Coke, as usual, when an outlaw who went by the name Clothesline approached him.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Scott knew clothesline well.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

They had become real friends, hanging out, doing small stolen goods deals together.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

But this interaction felt anything but friendly.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Scott was wearing a wire.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

And in that moment, scared that he was about to be found out, he couldn't remember his alias's middle name.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

This whole time, Scott's cover team was in a vehicle nearby, listening in on the wire, which was now in a crumpled heap of clothing on the floor, trying to decide whether to intervene and blow up the case or wait to see if Scott could finesse his way out of the situation.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

While this conversation was going on, Clothesline grabbed a piece of Scott's clothing, clothing that had some equipment in it.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Scott somehow kept his cover.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

What does it look like for you to create this persona that you need to, to successfully go undercover in a group like the Outlaws?

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

I mean, you talk a lot in the book about what it's like to befriend people in groups like this and how the friendships become a tool, really.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Can you say a little bit more about that?

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

It sounds like that is kind of that is a struggle.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

It's difficult to feel like you are genuinely gaining trust and knowing that you will need to break that trust.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

That's part of your goal.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Success stories.

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

How are you defining a success story?

Apple News Today
Rebroadcast: An FBI agent went undercover in America’s extremist groups. Here’s what he learned.

Yeah.