Shamita Basu

It's interesting you say you believe in second and third and fourth chances, and it sort of sounds like these people need to be giving you a second chance too, right?

I mean, it's a huge mental turnaround for them to realize who you are.

Yes, some have.

And some have, you're saying.

Wow.

Wow.

You say in your book that at this point in the outlaws case, you were feeling really burned out.

What does burnout look like in the FBI for undercover agents?

Right, right.

So after that case, after you took some time and you recovered a bit, you moved into another part of the FBI, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, which is in a lot of ways more intense, more extreme than working with groups like the outlaws.

Let's talk about some of these serious white supremacist groups that you've worked inside.

It sounds like one of the most volatile ones is The Base.

You describe them as accelerationists.

Can you tell me what that means and what you were assigned to do in that investigation?

So how did you get into the group?

You tell this really harrowing story about a hate camp where there was a ritual sacrifice.

There was Bible burning.

Basically, it was all to create a recruitment video, right?

Can you tell me a little bit about that particular instance?

It sounds like the goat sacrifice moment really stood out.