Shane Harris

And

This conference kind of reflects that.

Sean, what do you think?

Yeah.

And I think he's like, look, I mean, somebody in his position knows that he's one bad quote away that gets tweeted from losing his job.

Right.

I mean, and and, you know, again, he did say that the United States is with NATO, but it did kind of feel halfhearted.

Right.

And I think people in the room understood that and were pressing for more of an answer, knowing he probably wouldn't give it.

Yeah.

I was just monitoring the panel where it was, you know, everybody was agreeing, you know, rah, rah, Ukraine, they're the future, et cetera.

And there was one person who was like, Nope, absolutely not.

You're all mistaken.

This is an idiotic way to think about it.

And we had the prime minister of Albania who was on a panel yesterday.

He was very spicy.

Um, yeah, but it is interesting.

I mean, like, you know, it's, it's,

there's sort of a challenging of assumptions that goes along with some of that.

And if, you know, and there's a little bit of, even I think some people on these panels kind of use growing up words on this, on this podcast, you look calling their bullshit, right.