Shane Harris

A little bit.

And I think that was kind of what was going on yesterday with somebody trying to say that Spain wasn't pulling its weight.

Now I think the guy got his facts wrong and didn't, you know, quite get the figures right.

But I mean, the, the thrust of it, right.

It was, what was interesting.

And you're watching these Europeans kind of like,

punch at each other right now too, which of course, you know, in the absence of the Americans, they're likely to do.

I would say at the working level, things still feel like they're largely working to people, but it's not as smooth as it used to be.

I do think that there is hesitation and even suspicion on this part of some Europeans about sharing sensitive information with the Americans, not for fear that their working level colleagues will misuse it, but that something goes up the chain to the White House or-

Yeah, or lands at the Hoover Building and somebody gets a hold of it who works there and they don't particularly like what he does with it.

There's real concern about that.

I mean, look, I think that if you talk to people in European intelligence services about the political leadership of the intelligence community, there's deep, deep anxiety about that.

The CIA feels a little bit, I think, on more of a steady ground.

I mean, John Ratcliffe, the CIA director, from people I talk to, seems like someone they look at and they're like, this is a counterpart that we feel good working with.

And they're, to be candid, glad that he's the one who's actually in charge and not the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, who is utterly marginalized.

But there's no doubt that there are tensions here.

And I think that there's a real...

Desire on the part of some of these foreign services to to get the Americans, particularly the CIA, to recommit on to be very committed on Ukraine and to be aggressive.

And I think that there's a feeling that, you know, the CIA is with Ukraine right now, even if the White House feels like they're not.

Yeah, I think so.