Shane Harris
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You know, in the DNI currently, although she doesn't talk about this, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, somebody who ran for president and ran for Congress, obviously, successfully committed to no foreign wars, no foreign interventions.
Well, we're currently attacking Iran, the war with Iran.
There's real tension there and disconnect as well.
That's kind of like the flip side of it, where, I mean, she's not with the program, perhaps.
But I do think that, you know, there's a I think that there is a kind of.
reluctance even at the working level to obviously to speak out.
They don't speak out normally, but there's a real reluctance around saying the wrong thing and challenging people at the policy level right now.
And, you know, we've seen, you know, mass firings at the FBI and the counterintelligence field, which are
I mean, these are people who were involved in things like the Mar-a-Lago investigation, and those people are being fired.
And so there is a real reluctance, and you hear people saying this, to do that speak truth to power, which is sort of the mantra of the intelligence community.
And that's something that could be generationally damaging, particularly if you're firing people or they're quitting.
and getting out and then let's say we do snap back to something more traditional with a democratic president or even another republican well all those people are gone and you know people i talk to say there's a real worry that even younger people in the intelligence community will start to think this is how it's always been where we are just sort of like subservient to political masters and have to keep in line with the policy rather than just saying what we think the truth is
And you really, I mean, you know, to the point about, you know, not starting World War III, and this is what Trump literally talks about, right?
When he berated Zelensky, you know, months ago in the Oval Office, he's saying, you're going to start World War III.
And I will say, it was a fear that the Biden administration had too.
I mean, Mark Milley literally walked around when he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs with index cards.
On the top of which, one of it was written, don't start World War III.
Always a good reminder.
Objective, don't get into a nuclear war with the Russians.