Shannon Bond

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

I mean, this is also played out in the same way at Twitter, where Twitter fired people and then had to rehire them, right? Because they actually found out some of them were doing jobs that the company needed. But part of the reason we're seeing kind of so much like confusion and disruption and pushback is that like the problem is fundamentally the government is not a corporation.

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

And so, yes, if you were going to do large scale reductions in force, like there are actual legal channels you need to follow. There are requirements over things like preference to people who have veteran status or people with disabilities. Like there are things that exist in the government world that may not exist in the corporate world.

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

And I think that's where we're seeing so many of these clashes. But it is really kind of this like very differing kind of view of what the purpose of government is and really different value system. I think that we're seeing Musk bring in that I think is causing just so much of this like confusion and drama and like honestly heartache for a lot of the workers that we're talking to.

I think that's all true. And I think what's also really important to think about is in the meantime, like Sue, as you said, I mean, he is clearly effectively running this, right? Like he says this email is going to go out. The email goes out. He says people are going to get fired. You know, the agencies say, well, maybe not. But like, I don't know.

I think that's all true. And I think what's also really important to think about is in the meantime, like Sue, as you said, I mean, he is clearly effectively running this, right? Like he says this email is going to go out. The email goes out. He says people are going to get fired. You know, the agencies say, well, maybe not. But like, I don't know.

I think that's all true. And I think what's also really important to think about is in the meantime, like Sue, as you said, I mean, he is clearly effectively running this, right? Like he says this email is going to go out. The email goes out. He says people are going to get fired. You know, the agencies say, well, maybe not. But like, I don't know.

He and then Trump also says if people don't respond, they're going to get fired. So, you know, who are you trusting? And I think a lot of the folks that I've been speaking to, the federal workers who are at the receiving end of this are saying, OK, Like, I don't know, but I kind of can't risk my job at this point. I mean, they're also all preparing to be laid off anyway.

He and then Trump also says if people don't respond, they're going to get fired. So, you know, who are you trusting? And I think a lot of the folks that I've been speaking to, the federal workers who are at the receiving end of this are saying, OK, Like, I don't know, but I kind of can't risk my job at this point. I mean, they're also all preparing to be laid off anyway.

He and then Trump also says if people don't respond, they're going to get fired. So, you know, who are you trusting? And I think a lot of the folks that I've been speaking to, the federal workers who are at the receiving end of this are saying, OK, Like, I don't know, but I kind of can't risk my job at this point. I mean, they're also all preparing to be laid off anyway.

But they're saying, you know, at the end of the day, like, yes, there are all these kind of legal questions and that will play out. But it will, as Chris says, take months. And in the meantime, you know, it is effectively Musk calling the shots here.

But they're saying, you know, at the end of the day, like, yes, there are all these kind of legal questions and that will play out. But it will, as Chris says, take months. And in the meantime, you know, it is effectively Musk calling the shots here.

But they're saying, you know, at the end of the day, like, yes, there are all these kind of legal questions and that will play out. But it will, as Chris says, take months. And in the meantime, you know, it is effectively Musk calling the shots here.

Right. So this has come after, you know, actually quite a bit of mystery through a lawsuit where the court was asking the government over and over again because they said, well, you know, Musk is not in charge of the U.S. Doge service, which is part of the office of the president that has been renamed from the U.S. Digital Service. And they were like, OK, great. Who is?

Right. So this has come after, you know, actually quite a bit of mystery through a lawsuit where the court was asking the government over and over again because they said, well, you know, Musk is not in charge of the U.S. Doge service, which is part of the office of the president that has been renamed from the U.S. Digital Service. And they were like, OK, great. Who is?