Shannon Kagawa
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Okay, so if I'm saying that it's factual innocence, I think the court has to look at the facts presented. I'm not disputing what's in the findings of fact or conclusions of law. We agree to it. Those are the facts. But it's also fact that Mike Ortiz made a statement. It's also fact that John Gonzalez made a statement. Those are all facts that the court has to consider.
Okay, so if I'm saying that it's factual innocence, I think the court has to look at the facts presented. I'm not disputing what's in the findings of fact or conclusions of law. We agree to it. Those are the facts. But it's also fact that Mike Ortiz made a statement. It's also fact that John Gonzalez made a statement. Those are all facts that the court has to consider.
Yes, the court also can consider the statement that Mr. Harrison took from Mr. Ortiz in his declaration. Those are both facts. They may be conflicting, but those are still facts that the court has to consider. I don't believe that this court is... Here to determine the credibility of which one is true, those are just both facts that are presented.
Yes, the court also can consider the statement that Mr. Harrison took from Mr. Ortiz in his declaration. Those are both facts. They may be conflicting, but those are still facts that the court has to consider. I don't believe that this court is... Here to determine the credibility of which one is true, those are just both facts that are presented.
Because there's facts where they themselves have made statements that put them at the scene. If you look at the statement in States Exhibit 2, and I'm not going to read the whole statement, but Sean... Yes, I read Exhibit 2, so I'm familiar with the statements that Sean Schweitzer made.
Because there's facts where they themselves have made statements that put them at the scene. If you look at the statement in States Exhibit 2, and I'm not going to read the whole statement, but Sean... Yes, I read Exhibit 2, so I'm familiar with the statements that Sean Schweitzer made.
Yes, those are statements that he made, Your Honor.
Yes, those are statements that he made, Your Honor.
That is not deniable. I don't think Mr. Shigezaki will deny that Mr. Schweitzer made those statements.
That is not deniable. I don't think Mr. Shigezaki will deny that Mr. Schweitzer made those statements.
So if I'm saying that it's factual innocence, I think the court has to look at the facts presented. I'm not disputing what's in the findings of fact or conclusions of law. We agree to it. Those are the facts. But it's also fact that Mike Ortiz made a statement. It's also fact that John Gonzalez made a statement. Those are all facts that the court has to consider.
So if I'm saying that it's factual innocence, I think the court has to look at the facts presented. I'm not disputing what's in the findings of fact or conclusions of law. We agree to it. Those are the facts. But it's also fact that Mike Ortiz made a statement. It's also fact that John Gonzalez made a statement. Those are all facts that the court has to consider.
Yes, the court also can consider the statement that Mr. Harrison took from Mr. Ortiz in his declaration. Those are both facts. They may be conflicting, but those are still facts that the court has to consider. I don't believe that this court is here to determine the credibility of which one is true. Those are just both facts that are presented.
Yes, the court also can consider the statement that Mr. Harrison took from Mr. Ortiz in his declaration. Those are both facts. They may be conflicting, but those are still facts that the court has to consider. I don't believe that this court is here to determine the credibility of which one is true. Those are just both facts that are presented.
And even with the DNA evidence, Your Honor, state's not disputing that the DNA evidence shows that Albert Laurel's DNA was at scene two, or what I call scene two, at where Ms. Ireland's body was found. But there's no evidence to say that they were not involved as well.
And even with the DNA evidence, Your Honor, state's not disputing that the DNA evidence shows that Albert Laurel's DNA was at scene two, or what I call scene two, at where Ms. Ireland's body was found. But there's no evidence to say that they were not involved as well.