Shawn Ryan

Yeah.

I was...

It's kind of a double-edged sword because I was really hard to control.

I had found some different level of I don't know what.

There was just some other energy or some other possession or just some just thing that I just needed to stay attached to.

And I can't even really describe it.

I don't want to say it was out of body because then you're kind of like not owning it.

um i i knew what was going on i just didn't want it to stop and that's the part i can't really explain when i look back on that stuff it's like dude like okay maybe after that interview you issue a statement or you just like go you just disappear somewhere for a month or just but to keep that thing going was just like that's the part um just the energy that required i don't have that kind of stamina anymore um but as far as the people that um

I guess you could say we're more complicit than not.

It does take two to tango.

And I say in the book that in this case, it felt more like 2000.

But I also specifically write a line about...

In the years since, I've combed through the mental health manual, and I still can't find vile exploitation as a treatment protocol.

So that is a quote from the book.

So yeah, I am going to point some of that stuff out.

And then when I talk about Mark Berg, and Mark and I are great friends these days, but I do say Mark was the gatekeeper for,

And I wish he would have had a better key or a stronger lock or something that – or a lock that looked more like a comfy chair and a willing ear.

You know, it's like I –

I just think there could have been a moment in the middle of all that when someone could have just said, all right, we're going to – we're putting the chairs on the table, putting the lights on.

The party's over.