Shawn Ryan

you can have these revelations.

You can learn something about nature.

And I think that whether you're religious or not, everybody appreciates nature.

And so we're trying to find the rules

And if anything, that seems pretty close to the spirit of the part of religion that gives you the answers or some sense of this is the way things are, right?

I mean, you're trying to find an origin story, right?

So that kind of origin story aspect of it, I think that science is after.

But I think that I like the fact that we are supposed to admit when we don't know things.

Sometimes that doesn't always.

It definitely plays out in a weird way because a lot of people think they're experts and then talk down to people who don't.

And so it's very dogmatic.

in practice, but it's not supposed to be that.

And I love that about it.

And that's the thing that turns me a little bit off of religion sometimes.

It's just like, you know, like, can you question things or whatnot?

But I think this notion of not knowing clearly fits into this notion.

Like, if you thought there is something creating everything, maybe that's more of a reason that we're special or more of a reason that the rules have to be simpler because...

But I tried to be more agnostic, and I also am against the kind of dogmatization side of it a little bit.

But I'm happy to try to debate or change my mind a little.

I seriously see my mom, and it's just like, yeah, why aren't there women priests?