Shekhar Natarajan

What do you mean?

He was always married to her.

But cheating on her, too.

Well... Oh, my God.

Really?

No, but he had a change, right?

He became more of a service.

Well, yeah, so, like, that aside, you know...

The richest man in the world at the time, human.

But he actually made an incredible turn and has saved millions of lives.

And even with someone who was a, like a ferocious, like, you know, not really caring, he didn't even donate much early on.

Just didn't care.

but we're going down the opposite direction written about this and he's like a young 30 something year old dutch historian who's written this book called moral ambition where he talks about maybe two three generations ago where the emphasis was if you ask people what does living well mean it was a pursuit of a meaningful life and now you ask people what does living well mean and certainly in the west it's having enough money to live yeah and so it's about money but money becomes a thing when it's an um

When not having enough money is a barrier to living sufficiently well that you don't have to worry.

So it's that scarcity thing that you're talking about.

But there is a redemptive possibility.

We all have the seeds of beauty and compassion within us.

For sure.

And I think that's... It's consciousness.

It's consciousness.