Shekhar Natarajan

Just didn't care.

but we're going down the opposite direction written about this and he's like a young 30 something year old dutch historian who's written this book called moral ambition where he talks about maybe two three generations ago where the emphasis was if you ask people what does living well mean it was a pursuit of a meaningful life and now you ask people what does living well mean and certainly in the west it's having enough money to live yeah and so it's about money but money becomes a thing when it's an um

When not having enough money is a barrier to living sufficiently well that you don't have to worry.

So it's that scarcity thing that you're talking about.

But there is a redemptive possibility.

We all have the seeds of beauty and compassion within us.

For sure.

And I think that's... It's consciousness.

It's consciousness.

It's always about consciousness.

Compassion, kindness...

the better angels of our nature, the good, the true, the beautiful.

And how to awaken that?

As a society, are we not going back in the opposite direction?

Like we want like fewer taxes from the corporates.

They're all celebrating it.

Are we not?

I mean, who wants fewer taxes?

Well, like all the corporations today, you know, they're all celebrating like taxes being less today.

It's such a complicated problem.