Shekhar Natarajan

It's a complicated problem.

Well, this is Steven Pinker's idea, right?

I mean, that website, Human Progress, that talks about all the ways in which the world has improved across the board for even the people supposedly on the bottom.

Is there truth to that data?

So hasn't that played out?

Things aren't far from perfect, but...

you can track the ways things are better now than they used to be.

There are things that are better, and even things that every poor person has access to, the richest person in the world couldn't have had in 1950.

That's right.

Think of your iPhone or whatever.

And so there are examples of where there is demonetization of these aspects.

Um, with, with all the reasons, like you probably could, like it's not necessarily, you know, when you're in the first starts of a technology, it's very expensive, right?

It's mainframe, but then it gets down to, you know, sort of, you know, iPod.

And so that to me is like, that's the hopeful part of like some of these breakthroughs, they might start being very sort of exquisite, but I would hope that the effort goes in to make them available.

There's a decreasing marginal utility to dollars.

Who dictates all of that?

Who's going to dictate all of that?

Government dictates some of it.

But when there's regulatory capture by corporates, then government doesn't have the power to be able to... We've seen a lot of examples of that.

We as a society, we haven't done that.