Shelley Johnson

Very true.

Yeah, CEU credits, that'd be continuing education.

Yeah, they do.

You know, I had traveled out of the country back in the 90s and I was talking to some people and they'd said a lot of countries, their philosophy is family first, work second.

But in America, it's work first, family second.

And that's the perception.

So I mean, what you're saying, Lisa, really does resonate.

We put so much emphasis on our livings and that's our identity and everything else kind of falls by the wayside.

Ain't that the truth?

Yeah, I think the attitude is you're stuck with me because I'm related to you.

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