Shelly Lefkoe

Oh, the way to have power is to control and dominate people.

And then you get these, what was his name, the guy who had his shoe on, what's his name's throat?

Oh, God.

Devin, Derek, Devin.

Do you know who I'm talking about?

The guy, George Floyd, the cop who- Oh yeah, the George Floyd incident, correct.

That's powerlessness, right?

That police officer who did that felt so powerless that he had to do that to another human being.

That's what that is.

It's not like they're bad people or they're, you know, we did a study with criminals.

You'll love this.

We went into a prison and there were criminals who were getting out.

And we did a research study and we produced statistically significant behavior changes in criminals in 15 weeks.

15 sessions, they were completely different.

And it was the most fascinating experience because what they believe is true.

If I don't carry a gun in the hood, I won't have respect.

That's what Chris's father told him.

There was a wife beater that we worked with who had the belief, if you do something wrong, you deserve to be punished.

And the way to be punished is to beat.

Of course he beat women.