Sholto Douglas

And specifically, what you mentioned about being bootstrapped immediately by these people might have meant that since you're getting up to speed on everything at the same time, rather than spending grad school going deep on one specific way of doing RL, you actually can take the global view and aren't totally bought in on one thing.

So not only is it something that's possible, but has...

greater returns than just hiring somebody at a grad school potentially because this person can just like, I don't know, just like getting a GPT eight and like fine tuning them on like one year of, um, uh, you know what I mean?

That's super interesting.

One of the reasons that you've been able to be agentic within Google is you're pair programming half the days or most of the days with Sergey Brin, right?

And so that's really interesting that there's this person who's willing to just push ahead on this LLM stuff and get rid of the local blockers in its place.

And is this inclusive of Sergey Brin, Jeff Dee, and so forth?

I mean, it's notable.

I don't know.

I feel like Google is undervalued given that like...

I don't know, like Steve Jobs is working on the next product for Apple, like Pyrrha Coral Browing Gun or something, right?

Yeah, that's super cool.

Trenton, does this map onto any of your experience?

One thing I've noticed when people tell stories about their careers or their successes, they ascribe it way more to contingency.

But when they hear about other people's stories, they're like, of course it wasn't contingent.

You know what I mean?

It's like, if that didn't happen, something else would have happened.

Um, I've just noticed that something like talked to, and it's like interesting that you both think that there are like, it was especially contingent.

Um, uh, whereas I don't know, uh, uh,

Given that you said you framed this in the context of they were trying to run this experiment of can something... Specifically James and I think our manager, Brennan, was trying to run this experiment.