Simon Kelada-Polupanov

And more specifically, everyone being a developer nowadays think differently.

Those people that haven't been developers are becoming developers.

Which is a bit dangerous as well at times.

That's right.

Yes.

There'll be a pullback.

I think that's for sure.

And the power users, the developers that know how pieces fit together, they're becoming very powerful by just applying their knowledge and using this superpower that's AI.

So that's really exciting.

That's really unknown.

Yeah.

We're seeing a massive restructure.

Recently, you know, people are saying that there's no value into SaaS anymore.

So one example is Atlassian stock is diving recently because people don't think there's any use in Jira anymore.

So that's really kind of unknown.

and exciting at the same time.

I think, yeah, it's a good point.

It's important to realize where you are personally and break out of your bubble.

as well you know because

like you probably find yourself in this situation, Sam, like talking to founders, like you and I, I think we live on the edge, right?