Simon Thomas

Was it, as Andy Hinchcliffe was saying, the intensity?

And it's an eighth defeat in their last 11 visits for City for Crystal Palace.

Look, Chris, not many people have expected them to win here, but the manner of the defeat, and particularly that defeat last time out against Burnley, psychologically, how big have these last two blows been?

But Sam has constantly repeated, we haven't got it done.

Yeah, Hull at home next weekend.

We'll talk more about that later, but let's look at the goals.

One minute and 54 seconds for City to open up Palace.

We wondered how this back four was schlepped coming in.

might look.

They exploited it straight away.

Two minutes and one second into the second half.

And it is the captain, Vincent Cumley, on the school street.

At one point, it looks like Kelly's got him.

Then he hasn't.

What happens?

No doubt about Kevin De Bruyne's goal that made it 3-0, but from your Welsh goalkeeper point of view, let's just first clear this up.

Offside or not, as far as this is concerned?

Wayne's point of view is going to be disappointing.

82nd minute, Raheem Surley makes it 4-0.

Further signs of a player who continually improves.