Sonia Kahlon

And so and so it was really then I had been really quiet about my sobriety, like for years.

So I sold my business.

I got sober.

I just like very quietly stayed sober.

didn't have any community.

I was married at the time.

I'd been with my ex for almost 18 years by the time we broke up.

And he was very sensitive to me labeling myself as anything or an alcoholic.

So anytime we'd be out to dinner and I didn't order a glass of wine, for example, he'd say, oh, Sonia doesn't drink.

He didn't want me to say

oh, I'm sober.

I really just even hated the term sober.

So it was when my brother was going through that relapse that my ex-sister-in-law now, Kathleen and I, got really close.

And we started talking a lot about sobriety.

And she also at some point got sober from cocaine before she met my brother.

And so

as we're going through this i'm like there's something here like there are things we don't talk about right especially as women there's things we're not talking about and then i went through my own divorce a couple of years later and had a really hard time staying sober like really hard was like what the hell is the point now right and um and again like leaned on her

lot and I I remember I was starting to date with like just like disastrous results just disastrous like literally like serial killers like level like of guys that I was going on dates with and I remember after one of these particular serial killers Kathleen said like you're so lucky you're alive like that guy has body parts in his freezer you know and

And I remember again, like wanting to drink and being like, I can't believe I'm going to be alone for the rest of my life.

And then I called her and I said, we need to start a podcast.