Sonia Kahlon

And so I'm like, where can I go to an AA meeting?

Like, where are they going to see Dr. Cowan at their AA meeting and then call their, you know, report me to like, you know, the dental board.

And so, yeah, so that was my story about getting sober.

But I do think there is a particular stigma.

I'm sure you've treated a lot of professionals with professional licenses and there is this stigma to it, to that and to any mental health thing because every two years I renew my dental license and there's questions about have you sought treatment for mental health?

Have you sought treatment for addiction?

Have you abused drugs or alcohol?

in the last two years, and if you answer yes, you have to provide some sort of explanation.

And none of us answer yes, because none of us want to know what the consequences are of saying yes and providing explanation.

Oh, my sister.

So my my so my brother is a fantastic alcoholic, really just like a world class alcoholic.

He gets married.

He gets sober.

He gets divorced, does it again like he you know.

And so the second time he did it was with my sister in sobriety, Kathleen.

And so he he.

He married Kathleen when he was sober.

They stayed together like seven years.

He stayed sober and like within weeks of them...

Breaking up, he relapsed pretty badly and had a DUI and lost custody of his kids.