Spencer Bailey

I only have two more questions for you.

You've said that the older you get, the more time-sensitive you're becoming, less willing to spend time on things or people that don't matter deeply to you.

Do you have any inner conflict on saying no to the things that you don't want to do?

Don't we all?

Yeah, I do sometimes, but less so.

I think life has become more urgent now.

Probably the older I've gotten, I feel like your body tells you something.

And I grew up in a way in which I had a very high tolerance or threshold for pain.

I was very much willing to...

Just push through.

And I think one thing I've been really much more conscious of, thanks to my therapist, and yeah, I've been in therapy now for more than 10 years, or almost 10 years, and

You know, for a while there, I was going twice a week, and it was, like, very, very intense and necessary and life-changing and life-affirming.

And I think one thing that she's really helped me with is get way more in touch with my body and way more in touch with, like, the sort of Bessel van der Kolk body-keeps-the-score thing.

And COVID did that, too.

Yeah.

But I didn't know how much I was holding in.

And COVID brought out a lot of things that I had been holding in.

I had a bout of shingles that was horrific, like extremely painful.

Right when In Memory Of came out, I was dealing with shingles.

And it was this strange dual thing where I've got this book coming out and it's exciting.