Stacey Epstein

If you're doing 50, it's you're playing closer to list price.

Um, well, a little bit of both.

Uh, we were born out of another company that was just focused on a work texting app.

So sort of like WhatsApp for work.

Um,

that was founded by some of the product leads at Yammer.

And it had been, it was a freemium model that had been in business for a couple of years and great product, but wasn't really going anywhere on the go-to marketing side.

So together with the board, I came in and we basically- The Yammer board?

No, no, no.

The board of that company, which was called Kotap.

So we came in and we basically took the assets of that company, which was Kotap, and the great core product, built out the product and relaunched it as Zinc.

So I am the founder of Zinc, but there is a little bit more of a story there.

Our product's been around a few years longer than I have.

Well, it was never public.

Yeah.

I mean, they were a little startup.

So we relaunched as Zinc in the middle of 2016.

Pretty much.

Yeah, well, they were no longer at Yammer.

I mean, their background's interesting because they focused on communication.