Stan Van Gundy

I think that he's a more intentional learner maybe in that regard.

And I think he would be different.

It can't be a tie.

But I don't really know.

I really don't know.

Yes.

Oh, absolutely.

We talk about that all the time.

From our background to get to where we were...

And to not have an appreciation for that, we do appreciate like we we will talk among ourselves.

And I certainly have this feeling all the time of even now, even just sitting courtside broadcast in a game is like crazy.

how in the hell did I get here?

Like, you know, I was a nondescript small college player.

I'm coaching at small college.

The hell?

I'm coaching in the NBA?

The moment where I really remember it, my first year as a head coach here, our seventh game of the year, and the reason I remember it was the seventh game is he took us to 0-7 at the start of my career.

We were in Houston, and

And what I remember the moment of lining up for the national anthem and looking down and seeing him on the other end and thinking like,

you gotta be kidding me.