Steph Claire Smith

And then you were like, well, no, I'm not going to do it alone because also it's like it would be a lot for me to then recite everything to you if we do have to raise.

And I'm like, yeah, okay, I can't make you go do that by yourself.

But it was something I was really nervous about and I think that I would have had a very different experience through it if Sian wasn't in it.

So Sian, who I've actually had on the podcast, guys, we'll put a link in the show notes.

You can go back to listen to that because it's such a great episode.

But she was a founder alongside her co-founder, Amy, for Pleasant State, an eco-friendly cleaning business that has recently closed down.

But Sian was a very big creative and we didn't only gel from like a personality stance or whatever.

But when I got chatting to her, she had so many similarities, like

in strengths but also in like stuff she was really insecure about in the business and things that she like really put her down, put herself down.

And I think for me, I didn't look at her in any –

Like, I didn't look at her and Amy and think, like, because Amy was kind of more on the academic side or whatever, that Amy was better than Sian or that that business, you know, could exist without Sian or anything like that.

So I think that meeting her and realising that I do not think any less of her, even with the things that she feels were maybe missing or that she was insecure about that I felt, I think that helped me be like, oh...

okay, like maybe I should be able to look at myself that way.

Similarly to when I met Victoria's Secret angels and they were pointing at themselves in the mirror, pulling themselves apart.

And at that point in my life.

This was back when you were in New York.

You were in like a gym.

In a gym.

And all of these girls walked in for this class, three of them being Victoria's Secret models that at the time I thought were the fucking pinnacle of the world.

And I was honestly stunned, but they walked in and started criticising themselves in the mirror.