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Chapter 1: What insecurities does Kylie Minogue reflect on in her documentary?
And regardless of whether it was an insecurity before that moment, it's then something that you can recite for like the rest of your life.
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Hello. Hi. Good morning, everyone. How are you, Steffi? I'm good. I'm in a bittersweet mood today. Oh, tell me. It's Billie's first birthday. Yeah.
So how does it feel? Because for people that, okay, I will confess, before I was a parent, when someone would say to me that they felt bittersweet about their child turning one, I would not comprehend. I would be like, oh, okay. I just wouldn't, I wouldn't get it. Yeah. Tell us, what does it mean?
I mean, like, it's just crazy how fast the first year goes, number one. But I think this one is extra bittersweet because I know I've said it a bazillion times on this pod, so sorry for the regular listeners, but she's also our last child. So it's also like saying goodbye to baby years, which is crazy.
But tell me the emotions.
Wait, don't rush this. Tell me the emotions. No, I think so. I'm sad because I love baby phase and I'm sad for how fast it's going. However, the highs of it, since she started like stepping around and is getting a little bit more stable and strong and interactive. Watching her interact with Harvey and play with Harvey is so sweet.
And so I think, like, the more she, like, eases into toddlerhood and, you know, gets more playful and stuff like that, I feel like their bond is only going to get stronger, which is going to be really beautiful to watch. So that's what's really exciting me about it. And just seeing her little personality shine through more and more as she gets older is also really exciting. So...
Yeah, bittersweet because baby years are behind us and the first year flew. But very, yeah, happy and excited and it's been an incredible year with her.
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Chapter 2: How do early comments shape our insecurities as adults?
Yeah. Well, happy birthday, Angel Billie. Yeah, thanks. Thank you for sharing that with us. I'm sure anyone listening that their baby has just turned – actually, do you know what? Does it ever stop?
No, probably not. I think every birthday feels like this. Yeah. And it will feel like this again because she's our last. It's the last second birthday. It's the last – I don't know. Anyway. Anyway. I've got to get over it.
You don't have to get over it. It's okay. And then they'll move out.
Yeah, I know. That's so messed up. My mum said to me this morning, she's like, I read something somewhere that was like you only get one summer with your baby, like three summers with your toddler.
I keep getting targeted with those.
And then like 15 summers or something like that with your kid, like until they start getting old enough to be like, oh, actually I'm going holidays with my friends or like I'm thinking about moving out or whatever. And I was like, that's messed up. That's messed up.
I keep getting targeted with these reels where they film the baby's foot and it says something like, this is the only summer I'll get where you can't walk on your feet with little baby feet. Yeah. I was like, wow. We really can get deep. Yeah, we do. In terms of the last things. We do. I don't know if we need to deep all of them because otherwise I'll just feel sad all the time.
Anyway, now speaking of babies. Yeah. And also, everyone listening that doesn't have kids, don't worry. This is, I mean, not that we should worry anyway, but this is about me. Yeah. Not Atlas, but I need to link in with Atlas to begin with. Okay. So Atlas is eating. So he started solids. Yeah. And he really has a great diet. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What emotions does Steph feel about her child's first birthday?
Atlas's diet is like liver.
Yeah, it comes at no surprise. I don't cook it. No, but even when you both first had Bill and Ben, it was like turmeric rice, fresh chicken. Stop it. You know? We used to cook our dogs chia seeds, turmeric, rice. You prepped their food more than I prepped Harvey's food. I was like, okay. Anyway, now they have dry dog food.
And Atlas. So Atlas is getting the really five-star treatment from Dalton. I just, I'm not very good at cooking. I wouldn't, I just wouldn't know what to do with livers. I mean, I'm sure if I Googled it, but I probably wouldn't. It's great. Anyway, so he's having all these like livers and things. Yeah. Now...
Dalton wanted to make him some bone broth and he wanted to make it extra jelly-like because that's good for them because it has a lot of collagen. Also good for me except I hate the taste. Fun fact, I learnt this the other day. I never knew this. Our bodies stop producing collagen at 25. Yeah. We did learn this the other day. I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm looking at Atlas's bowl of stuff and I'm like, maybe I should have a few spoonfuls. But it tastes gross and I don't care enough to eat it. Anyway, maybe one day. Anyway, but to make it super jelly-like, the best thing to do is you boil like the carcass of the chicken and you boil chicken feet. Yes. So I came home.
I was actually walking with a friend and we came home and he goes, oh, my God, it smells like really strong like chicken. I was like, oh, goodness me, walking, Dalton's like boiling all the chicken parts, which for Atlas, amazing. And when you open the fridge now, it looks like jelly. It looks like airplane jelly, but it's, you know, bone jelly. Yeah.
Anyway, but I, Dalton asked me to separate the pieces of chicken from like the stuff in the pot. I was dry reaching. I just, chicken feet is something that I wasn't separating from the chicken feet. There was other things in there. I was just putting them in the bag to go in the bin.
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Chapter 4: How do personal experiences influence our perceptions of success?
Yeah.
I can't. Like I was dying. Anyway, Dalton could see that I was dying. I just, I'm not, I don't like meat very much. I just.
Remember the day that you asked him to peel a boiled egg though.
True. Is it the same? Well, for him. Let me tell you what he did. What did he do? So as I am peeling this chicken, he comes up behind me. With a chicken foot. And let me tell you, wherever he got them from, the toenails were like, I swear to God, they were the same length as my fingernails. What do you mean? Of course, it's a bird. Well, I didn't realise they were that big.
What do you mean bird nails are like these tiny little? I did. What? I did. They like land on branches and stuff. So they're not as like wide as my nails, but they are as long. No, of course not. I haven't looked at chicken feet for a lot in my life, you know? Anyway, they're not as wide, but they're as long as my nails.
Yeah, yep. Yes. Yeah, chicken feet are probably one of the ugliest looking things.
I agree.
They're not cute. No.
Okay, I'm going to swear because I don't know what else to do, but Dalton put a fucking chicken foot nail in my... Just the nail. Like the whole toe nail in my ear. Yuck. And I... So do you know what I did straight back to him? Do you know what Dalton hates? What? He hates the sinkcloth. Hates the sinkcloth. Fair enough. They're disgusting. Yeah, they are.
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Chapter 5: What lessons can we learn from Kylie's journey in the music industry?
Mine is less germy, though, because I don't leave mine in the sink. Steffi leaves her sinkcloth in the sink with the crumbs.
We have gotten better at this, let me say. And can I just throw my husband under the bus because he used to give me so much shit for this. I have gotten better at this and somehow I'm still finding it soaking at the bottom of the sink. So... It's not me.
It's not just me. Thank you. Also, can I say I wasn't saying it was just you.
No, but I'm also really lazy. I'll just use it a few times and then I throw it in the laundry and get another one. Like I've gotten to the point where like sure, wringing it out and everything is really good, but I honestly feel like on day two it already stinks.
You have to get rid of it. Scorching hot water and soap a couple of times a day.
I'm just not that clean of a person.
And then I also clean the sink with soap. I know.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm on a journey at the moment. I'm very clean. Nice. Anyway, so I would say our cloth is not the grossest cloth possible because it would have been wrung out with soap a couple of times a day. It's still not great. But it had been sitting in there, I reckon, for a couple of hours and there was a bit of water. Yeah. So you better believe I got that cloth and I put it directly in his face.
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Chapter 6: How can we overcome insecurities rooted in childhood experiences?
No, no. Yes. Yuck. Did you like put your hair behind your ear or something while you were doing it?
It was crusty and thick and it was... Everyone, and God, can I just say, sorry for your Monday morning. People were like, I did not sign up for this journey. I'm sorry I took you on it. But guys, I had to live through it. So I'm sharing it with you. And yes, then I had to go and wash my ear and the hair around my ear because there was a tiny bit of like the chicken foot, the skin.
And it was, it really smelt. Haven't washed my pillow though, case. And definitely would still be some chicken stuff on there. But you know, we can't win them all. But that was funny. And now Atlas, like, really enjoys this. But every time he eats it, I'm like, you should know what I had to go through for you to get this. This one teaspoon of bone stuff that you're eating.
Anyway, so that was quite the experience.
I'm still gagging.
And let's report back on how long we keep this up for.
So I watched a new documentary. It's on Netflix and it's of our Aussie icon Kylie. It's called Kylie. I highly, highly recommend watching it. I have grown up like listening to Kylie, knowing of Kylie. I went to Johnny Young Talent School so I felt like, you know, as a young girl I really like aspired to be someone like Kylie. Did she also go to that talent school?
So Danny Minogue was on Johnny Young Talent Time. It was kind of like Australia's Disney, not Disney, what's it called? Oh, my God, I should know this. Not the Clubhouse, but basically like where Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, like all of them as like young actors and singers and whatever kind of became famous from this like TV show overseas.
Australia was like Young Talent Time was kind of, you know Hairspray, the show Hairspray? Yes. There's like singers on a stage. That was kind of the vibe of Johnny Young Talent Time on TV. But then there was a school where you basically learnt how to sing, dance and act. And that's where you went.
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Chapter 7: What strategies help in recognizing and building on our strengths?
Yeah, so just, you know, that really, really long connection there. To the Queen. Anyway, and I also loved Neighbours growing up, knew that's where she originated from, was not watching it when she was on there. That was like, I think, before my time, before I was born or before I was watching TV.
But knew that that's where she kind of originated from and have known parts of her journey, but there was so much I did not know. about Kylie's career and her journey and her life and behind the scenes. And so I was so intrigued and I learnt so much about her. And I found the show, like, it was really, really awesome and great and she's phenomenal.
But there was points that made me quite sad because... I mean, I don't want to give it away because there's some big things that she speaks about, particularly in the last episode, I believe it was, that were quite deep of things that she felt like she missed out on on life. And that got me quite emotional.
But prior to that, one theme throughout it was, unfortunately, because she kind of blew up in the UK and was living in the UK for a lot of her career... And we all know what the press in the UK is like. They are ruthless, particularly back then. But even to this day, they still are.
And it's kind of similar to what came up in the Victoria Beckham doco in like how ruthless headlines can be and how judgmental people can be, particularly when they kind of go from one thing to, you know, from Victoria, it was going as being in the Spice Girls to then doing a fashion thing. For Kylie, it was going from being an actress to a pop singer and and people not really accepting that.
So even though her song and everything went bananas, there was people on talk shows flat out saying, like, she can't sing. Like, I'm sorry, she can't sing. Like, saying that to start with.
And then the media then started to say she was boring, there was nothing interesting about her because basically she was just like a nice girl next door kind of vibe and, like, people were like, what's interesting about that, which is so fucked. Do you know what's crazy with that too?
Because we did a press tour in the UK. Mm. And I remember just in terms of like the actual difference between Australia and the UK. So this had never happened to us in Australia before, but we got given a document for one of the publications that we had to sign before being interviewed. And it essentially said, we can take your words and put them together in any way that we want.
And we were like... I think we ended up cancelling the interview because we were like, what the heck? But it is. In Australia, that would never, ever, ever happen.
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Chapter 8: What insights do the hosts share about confidence and self-worth?
So she really did explore kind of more indie music and all of this sort of stuff. But everything she explored, she basically got shit for. At the same time, had a huge fan base and like a lot of people did love her. But one thing I found really sad in the doc was... Even to this day, I think there's still this insecurity about her voice.
And she even said, like, I know I'm not like, you know, my voice isn't sent from heaven or whatever. Like, it's obviously something that at an early stage, she was told she wasn't even a great singer. And through her entire career, that voice has still been so loud to the point that she ended up getting to play...
at Glastonbury, perform at Glastonbury, which was something she was going to do when she was younger and then it was when she got cancer and had to pull out. She ended up doing that much later in life in her career and she, like, she says in the show that when she was on that stage, that was the moment that she, like, was like, oh, you've really done it? I'm like...
that was the most like 20 through like 20 years after of like having such an incredible career but it just goes to show like no matter what your success looks like externally or what other people might think of you unfortunately there are some things that can be said that we hold on to as an insecurity that can honestly take decades to shake if you ever actually get to shake them and
And I wonder if we can, I think the other thing with that is that Kylie got to perform at Glastonbury, which for her was, it's a very, I suppose, tangible, like in terms of success metric, like you only get to do that if you are the best, right? So I wonder if she hadn't done that, if she would have ever let it go.
Do you think it ever did, like I haven't watched it, but do you feel like she did totally let it go or it was still there?
I feel like she – I feel like there's still something in the back of her mind that like she wouldn't confidently say like I'm an amazing singer or whatever. Do you know what I mean?
Yes.
Like even she said – like she said it in an opposite way of like, you know when you parcel a compliment that doesn't really sound very strong? She kind of did that when she said like I know I haven't got like a voice sent from heavens or whatever. Yeah. It's like you don't need to – like no one's saying that you sound like the best singer in the entire world.
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