Steph Claire Smith

walking into a room of other people who do things similar to us, like I just felt like it was rare that I came across someone like me who had the strengths that I did but then also maybe some of the, I don't want to call them weaknesses, but just like just the stuff that they're not so good at.

But that's okay because we can't be good at everything, right?

And I think when we did SBE and I met Sian,

Along with other...

Business owners and business owners.

And wanting to learn about how to write a pitch and all of that sort of stuff and present your business.

So that was the program.

And I was really hesitant to do that because kind of, as I said before, ever doing like a business talk or going to a networking event where I knew I was going to be with like other business leaders and stuff, I would always get so anxious and so nervous because I just knew that the entire time I'd be in my own head thinking,

basically being like you've got nothing to add to this conversation.

Just sit and listen the whole time.

And so at first I remember being like, oh, yeah, like you should do it.

And then you were like, well, no, I'm not going to do it alone because also it's like it would be a lot for me to then recite everything to you if we do have to raise.

And I'm like, yeah, okay, I can't make you go do that by yourself.

But it was something I was really nervous about and I think that I would have had a very different experience through it if Sian wasn't in it.

So Sian, who I've actually had on the podcast, guys, we'll put a link in the show notes.

You can go back to listen to that because it's such a great episode.

But she was a founder alongside her co-founder, Amy, for Pleasant State, an eco-friendly cleaning business that has recently closed down.

But Sian was a very big creative and we didn't only gel from like a personality stance or whatever.

But when I got chatting to her, she had so many similarities, like

in strengths but also in like stuff she was really insecure about in the business and things that she like really put her down, put herself down.