Steph McGovern

My God.

Sorry to everyone else.

solvable and the solutions are in plain sight can i just give you one example to just um exemplify what i mean with the you know when we've talked about middlesbrough i bought a house in middlesbrough when i was in my early 20s i was working in london but couldn't afford to buy one in london so i bought a house in middlesbrough for 125 grand i sold it 20 years later for 125 grand

So that is like, you know, and it wasn't one I could ever really live in because my job was in London.

And so that's the issue here.

It's that everything you think will help make you richer.

Yes, I know.

Because in London it got right down in value.

Yes, and also the rentals is a better margin and everything.

Anyway, but it's just that for everything that's tangible to normal people, it's...

feels like it hasn't got better.

And that's the point of all this, isn't it?

It's like, how do we make people feel like their lives have got better?

So you admit you do gimmicks at the start?

Yeah, very much so.

Let me tell everyone the name of your book again.

So this is Can We Be Rich Again?

Okie dokie.

Excellent.

Jeremy, thank you for your time.