Steph McGovern

That's it from us, and the rest is money.

Bye-bye.

Everything around Andy Burnham's rhetoric is, look what I've done in Manchester.

You're also cautious about it happening too quickly, aren't you?

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And we've got Greg here.

Greg, good to see you.

So oil prices are very volatile.

If they stay like that, what can we do to protect the UK economy?

Nice one, Greg.

Thanks for explaining that.

Right, we're going to go to the episode.

And me, Steph McGovern.

And also alongside us, we have podcast friend Paul Johnson, who was, of course, director of the IFS for about 15 years.

He's known for his clear-eyed analysis of tax and public spending, pensions and inequality.

So we've got him back to get his take on things, haven't we, Robert?

Here's our interview with Paul Johnson.

So on that, Paul, it's hard for them to treat the causes, though, when the causes are to do with a huge geopolitical situation happening and the problems there.

So surely they can only treat the symptoms.

Yeah, I take your point that this is to do with the kind of long term policy problems, but you can't solve those issues overnight, can you?