Steph McGovern

Yeah.

And you've got to take that hit and stay committed and not do U-turns.

But the one we started at the beginning of this podcast talking about the bond market.

So let's end on that because it feels to me like the bond markets wouldn't like Rayner and they wouldn't like Burnham.

But Streeting might get through in terms of if the bond markets dictate this, the bond markets are going to be happier with Streeting's ideas for growth.

You will always be in the shit.

Exactly.

The tough things to achieve it is the key there.

You can't back down when you get a bit of rebellion from your backbenchers.

You've got to carry on.

And, you know, if that is the plan that you think is going to work, you make moderations along the way if things happen with geopolitics or whatever else.

But on the whole, you should...

stick to a plan form it have an end goal and stick to it anyway we know that so there we have it it's growth that's that's the key here a growth with a plan a growth with a plan and just leadership what we need is strong leadership with you know focused on growth

And while we're getting through all that, we need a good book to read.

And Robert, you just happen to have one coming out.

Well, it won't be out until July.

And it's worth pre-ordering.

But that's it from us.

Bye-bye.

Well, yes, that would be tricky.