Steph McGovern

But there is an argument that the bond market's

might be out of date with this because the Greens, and again, I just reiterate, I'm not saying I'm pro the Green Party, I'm not saying I'm against them, but what if it works and it gets growth?

What if in the longer term their plans for, you know, and the change from the mainstream of what we've had, which clearly hasn't worked, like everything Labour came in with hasn't worked, you know, whereas we're in a worse situation than we were.

What if reform or Greens coming in actually

Actually, in the longer term, even though it looks like it doesn't economically stack up any of this and it could be a nightmare for the economy, what if it isn't?

You get stuck in the same cycle based on what the bond markets think should happen.

And as you say, it doesn't allow for democracy.

Liz Truss, her fate decided by the bond market's

So, and again, I'm not saying she should have stayed, but there is an argument for you can never change from the regime of we've always had, if it's always the bond markets that dictate what happens next for us.

And I know that's a big, oh, Steph didn't know what she was talking about.

That's not how economics works, blah, blah, blah.

But I just think what's to say that these outlander parties coming in might actually change things for the better?

We don't know.

And that's the problem.

We're never going to find out because there'll always be this thing that the bond markets decide.

hammered businesses.

And I'm really saying that, see that play out locally in terms of businesses closing down because of the business rates and the employment costs and everything else.

It really, you know, and that's, it's not just, I heard this brilliant German minister speak last week and he was

talking about, and I literally sat there going, come to the UK, you've totally got the vision.

And he talked about how when you look at business, you cannot just look at them in the context of jobs and the money they bring in.