Steph McGovern

You have to look at what they do in terms of community cohesion, what they do for when, you know, these jobs are not just jobs for money, they're jobs for people's mental health.

And he had this, I mean, he had a background in retail, so he had genuine experience in business.

And literally the room erupted with his, and it was a room full of people from all over the world.

It wasn't just Germans.

It wasn't just British people going, I wish he was one of ours.

It was, it was a room full of people going, yes, he gets it.

Cause he talked about how absolutely.

actually growth and it doesn't just come from thinking about business in a monetary sense.

It's about thinking about everything else they bring to the party in terms of work and mental health and public health and even communities providing, they contribute to the infrastructure of areas.

And I really listened to him and thought,

this is what we're not doing.

We're not thinking about the bigger context of what making money brings.

It isn't just capitalism.

It is about all the social stuff it brings and the pressure that reduces on welfare and everything else.

And we don't think of it like that.

I think in this country, we think too much like it's vulgar to make lots of money.

Like, yes, okay, there's too many very, very powerful rich people who get...

maybe have too much control and get too much money.

But for people, for entrepreneurs and things, there's a sense of, yeah, we want you to do well.

But when you actually start making money and doing well and providing for your local economy, you just get hammered by the government on taxes.