Steph McGovern

And so...

Teachers' jobs is often hard enough just trying to meet the Ofsted requirements.

And in those schools where you are struggling to get a child into the school, where they might not be have been fed, where they're in, you know, in clothes they've been in for days, where everything going on at home means it's really difficult for them to concentrate.

Ofsted doesn't look at that.

They're just like, have they got their maths and English?

No, no.

you're not doing very well.

And so the incentive needs to change so that teachers are shown value and shown worth for all these other things that they give kids, which will make them work ready.

No.

But in time, that's what I'm worried about, Alan.

Sorry to interrupt, but like my best mate, who's a head teacher around here in a tough school, majority of the kids taught English second language.

She was around here the other day in tears, having just had Ofsted round.

And she was like, oh, you know, they just kept asking me questions about the academics.

And these kids are like going through, she deals with social services more than anything else in her job.

She's constantly, you know, it's less about the curriculum and the education and more about survival.

And, you know, that's not how it should be.

I know this isn't your fault, Alan, but this is the type of thing that I get really frustrated about because we keep saying, oh, yeah, maybe we need to look at the system.

Maybe we need to... And we should change it.

And then it doesn't.

It doesn't change.