Steph Wagner

And I'm really excited to get it out into the world and to see how it can help other people.

Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up because it was my first step, right?

It was, how did I, who love this stuff, abdicate, right?

Why?

And that, why?

When I was actually good at it, you know?

And it is the why from our behaviors that is so important because if we create intentionality around it, we can change them, right?

But it starts with self-awareness.

So I think, you know, for me,

one of the things that I try to encourage women or anyone really, it's not just women, but to think about is how they were raised.

What messages did you receive?

that may have left an imprint on you that you never ever thought.

Maybe you did the same, maybe you did the opposite.

I share stories within the book, my own personal experiences, as I saw things happening, behaviors that my parents had with money, messages that I received, all debt was bad.

You know, that was definitely the case, although that was in sharp contrast to the way my dad was acting.

You know, I thought my parents were financially secure.

And then suddenly I learn and I'm living this great life and we have the big house behind gates and the country club and the fancy cars.

And I'm thinking, okay, we're comfortable.

And then suddenly my dad wins a car on a hole-in-one at a golf tournament and had to sell it to pay our taxes.

And I was so confused.