Stephen Kotkin

That's a given.

Who are the people who are against it?

You see, they're masking their true feelings.

They're hiding behind professions of loyalty.

When in fact, when the hour of crisis comes and there's a war, they will be the saboteurs behind the lines, the fifth column.

And so it might be that some of them are innocent that you're arresting, but some of them are clearly going to be guilty as well.

And so to get the guilty, you have to somehow manage to deal with your victimizing people who are likely innocent, and you may know are innocent, but you also know to your bone marrow that some people out there are enemies.

It's hard to identify and find them, so you're overcompensating a little bit to make sure that you get every last enemy.

Again, it's a crazy idea to us.

It makes no sense to us.

But a lot of things make no sense that people believe in.

So there's this young kid who's really adept at social media who just looks like he won the primary for a Democratic candidate for mayor in New York City.

And one of the things he wants to do is freeze rents, rent control.

Because he wants more affordable housing.

So he's a complete idiot in terms of facts.

Right.

Because the way to get more lower rent affordable housing is to build more housing.

Right.

If supply massively increases and it exceeds demand, the price has to go down.

It's...