Stephen Kotkin

But again, you're creating a new world.

And it's going to be messy because it's about class struggle.

And class struggle means there are going to be winners and losers.

And the bourgeoisie have to go.

They're inherently evil.

They're an evil class.

They have to not just be retired to a farm somewhere.

They have to be eradicated, liquidated as a class.

And so they're going to resist.

And therefore, they're going to be enemies everywhere.

And again, you're not going to know who they are.

So are you on the side of the enemies?

But again, the party is larger cause than they are.

You're building a new world.

Your life can contribute to that or not.

And it's insignificant ultimately.

And human psychology is a complex subject.

Figuring out human psychology is a big challenge, even with everything we know now, let alone what we knew then.

So it's simultaneously everything and anything.

We have to get rid of the binaries where they didn't believe, they were cynical, and they sacrificed themselves because they were cowards or because...