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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

People say the Communist Party brought 700, 800 million people out of poverty.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

No.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

The Communist Party put those people into poverty.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Why are a billion plus people in poverty?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Because of the party's rule.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

It's the people themselves, they lift themselves out of poverty.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so the communists have to reassert their control, their Leninist monopoly on power, because the very thing that has rescued them

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

The diligence, entrepreneurialism, ingenuity of the amazing Chinese people and of that society is now a threat to communist rule.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

That's how it started, DK.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So let's go look at the facts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Why do you have a special economic zone?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Why can't every zone have market relations?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You're doing this grudgingly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

This is a grudging allowance of certain behavior.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So you look at the decrees.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

You can trade onions, but you can't trade potatoes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Okay, you can trade potatoes, but you can trade only on Tuesdays and Thursdays, not Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So the decrees are all grudging with very few exceptions, and the society is forcing more and more concessions onto the ideologues in the Marxist-Leninist system.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So at the beginning, it's launched by the party's grudging acceptance of

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

that the society is going to rebuild and not starve through its own hard work.