Stephen Meyer

And I detail this argument in detail

or I detail this argument, rather, in my book, Return of the God Hypothesis, and also the new film, Story of Everything, lays this out.

I think if people want to see whether or not God is hidden, or the evidence of God is hidden, they should have a look at that film.

The next question that he makes, or the next point he makes about the moral law

he stated the argument in a kind of straw man way that is not the way I think he does not respond to a nuanced and proper way of formulating the moral argument the moral argument is that

that we all live as though there are objective principles of morality, even if we say we're relativists in our philosophy.

When our ox is being gored, or our mother is being kidnapped, or our interests are being unfairly abridged, we react

in kind, we say that's unfair, that's right, that's not right, that's wrong.

We act as though there is a standard above us all to which we can appeal.

When we say ought, we're not just saying is, we're not just saying, when I say murder is wrong, you ought not to murder, I'm not just saying murder hurts people.

I'm saying something more than that.

I'm implying that there's a standard that you have violated.

And the problem for the philosophical naturalist or materialist is they cannot give a coherent account of what that standard is.

Trying to ground that in our evolutionary past and saying our moral intuitions are just things that were programmed into us to aid our survival

does not stand scrutiny.

As soon as we think that our moral impulses are simply things that were programmed into us to aid our survival, we have no reason to obey moral principles that aid the survival and flourishing of other people.

And so the naturalistic account of the origin of those moral intuitions that, yes, atheists and theists may all share, is inadequate.

It's not that you can't act morally if you're an atheist.

It's that there is no coherent account of what the moral principles are that you implicitly affirm when you

make a moral judgment, and that's the problem.