Stephen Pearcy

But he did try to buff it up and whatever.

And it didn't work.

Oh, okay.

No, no, no.

And that's when I knew, wow.

well with warren like i say um it was just a while uh before that was inevitable that him and i would you know it happened before years and years apart you know not playing or whatever yeah and because he does this trip i get it but the other guys uh i i talked to bobby quite often um

That's what I'm saying.

I actually would run into Warren occasionally on the downtime period.

Nothing was happening.

There was wars and this and legal and, you know.

Was part of the contention who owns the name or was it that stuff?

Yeah, yeah.

And, you know, it's been back and forth, back and forth, and the outcome will, you know, inevitably happen, you know, with what partners are left.

And I don't dwell on it because it's like I say, look, we created this music, we created this entity,

when Robin was out of the picture, I knew it was done.

I went, okay, we can go out there and play and, you know, call it rat.

And some people get it and not, but it didn't work.

You know, why do you think it didn't work?

Well, when you throw in different components with no disrespect to some of the musicians, you know, I mean, uh,

one guy had a rat out there you know with all these different people they replaced me with somebody and went out and you know there's those weird like mid 90s where it's yeah without you which is hard for me to and then i had to come and step in in 97 and put you know regrouped everybody put together a collage and said we're going to get things in order