Stephen Richer

And so if you're Nicolas Maduro and you're sitting there in, I think, presumably not the nicest conditions,

I think he's got to be thinking about this as potentially a golden ticket out because you and I know, and many are surrounding Trump know that the one way that you can get in his good grace, no matter what misdeed you have committed in the past is that you can tell him that

That he certainly has never lost an election and that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

I mean, this has just been a path for so many people to get appointments, a path for other people to get pardons, a path for people to get business negotiations.

Even right now, Tina Peters, the Mesa County clerk.

who committed a number of felonies under state law in Colorado, but they were done in the name of Donald Trump winning the 2020 election.

He's pulling out all the stops to try to get her out of prison in Colorado.

And I think it could even extend to someone as horrible, a mass murderer like Maduro.

But it's extraordinary what he's doing right now.

He's pulling funds from Colorado.

He vetoed a water bill that was very important to the residents of Colorado.

He's calling Jared Polis a terrible person on a regular basis.

And so he will leverage whatever power he has.

And in the instance of Maduro, he does have much more power than he has over Tina Peters.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know how much of this is about Trump's ego and about looking backwards.

Certainly people like you had the president of the Brennan Center on previously.

He's somebody who has said that this is about looking forwards.

This is about the 2026 election.

This is about the 2028 election.