Steve Gibson

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Security Now (Audio) · SN 1092: Restraint Abliteration - Rotating Keys, Broken Guardrails · 19 Aug 2026 podcast

I'm going to interrupt here just to add that while OpenAI and Anthropic are not being currently forthcoming about the cost to train a current frontier model.

Leo, you've always talked about how expensive it is.

And oh boy.

Um, you know, once those two are publicly traded, then their accounting ledgers will no longer be private.

So we're going to find out.

But

To get some sense of scale, OpenAI's Sam Altman has stated that the training cost for GPT four

Was more than a hundred million dollars.

And OpenAI reportedly spent three billion overall.

On compute to train their models two years ago, uh back in 2024.

Also, uh, as we know, models have grown much larger recently.

And those numbers ring true, those earlier ones, because Google's Gemini model is believed to have cost Google 192 million dollars to train.

So we're talking

um yes, g right, because these are old and smaller models, right?

So it could be uh so Fable is as

Right.

So and and so all of this leads us to understanding why it's not possi it's not feasible for any commercial provider, any anyone, commercial or not, to train multi to have multiple versions of of a single model type, like a like a mythos that knows nothing about cybersecurity.

The advantage would be you can't trick it into revealing what it doesn't know.

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