Steve Joordens

So when you take that 30 to 40% that are problem gamblers and then say one in five of them can get to suicidal ideation,

we're talking, you know, five to 10% of people.

And, and that's quite a bit.

And it's, it's in part because of the addiction that's bad enough, but imagine you had a heroin addiction and,

and you at some point have enough and you go into treatment, if you can stop doing heroin, yeah, you got to recover a little bit, et cetera, but you can sort of get back on your feet.

If you stop gambling tomorrow, but you have a $50,000 debt, you have a $50,000 debt.

And often, we also know for every problem gambler, there's about five other people to five to 10 that are affected.

That's usually their family.

Like their family has to deal with this debt

And for some people, they just don't want to bring that to the family.

They find themselves in this hole, owing more money than they can afford, not wanting to ask anybody for support.

You know, what are your options?

Your options become very slim.

And for some of them, obviously, suicide becomes an option.

All of the suicide websites now have special sections for problem gamblers to come and talk specifically about that issue.

And, you know, it's really something we've created by a legalizing sports gambling.

That's that's bad enough.

But I always want to talk to one to punch.

And the second one is the marketing of sports gambling.

It has been so aggressive.