Steve Levitt

And it has a big audience, but nothing like your Freakonomics radio podcast.

And so you've been kind enough to say that I might have the opportunity to guest host.

Oh, it wasn't kindness, it's exhaustion.

I'd more like to keep the secret, actually.

I think it's better to keep them secret.

But let me say this.

What I love about the format of Freakonomics Radio is that you tackle issues and policy.

And maybe there is a way in this long-form interview Pima format of actually trying to make headway on policy, but I never figured out how to do it.

I have a handful of policy ideas that I think are really important.

And I love the idea of pursuing them through the Freakonomics radio format with the hope that really I can make an impact.

For example, AI and education.

We talked for...

one minute in this episode today about AI and education, but I think it's a really important issue that isn't being treated in the right way.

And because of these two very different camps, people who think AI is the best thing in the world, people who think AI is the worst thing in the world, understanding how it is both at the same time, but in a really sensible and thoughtful way, I think that's the kind of message I want to have people talking about.

There's just gross mistakes that we're making in terms of the incentives that we're applying today

to, say, pharmaceutical development.

There's stories to tell there that matter.

I don't think of myself as a journalist at all.

So what I have done at Pima, I don't think of that as journalism.

I think of that as just me having conversations with people.