Steve Phillips

and say you can be next level if you take the laissez-faire, however you just described it, and you're a little bit more hard-nosed, a little bit more dependable, and look at the guy in your team who shoots left, number 85.

There's no casual approach.

Intensity and forget all that stuff in your career arc will go skyrocketing.

Jamie, I totally appreciate the fact that you just said they're wired differently.

I will say this, though.

It doesn't mean it's right.

And it doesn't mean it's the best for the individual or the team to just say, you know what, I'm wired differently.

I think that's a bunch of crap the most time.

Like guys use it as a crutch.

They come back to the bench.

They're like, ah, it's just the way I'm wired, Coach.

Sorry about that.

I go nuts.

If that goes for a breakaway the other way, you've got a totally different outcome.

Verhoff might be able to do that.

Not 100%, but he might be able to do that.

Weird season for him, Jamie, though.

Especially the idea that he was going to be taking off Austin Matthews' line early on in the year.

He started there, and you're like, this is this guy's job for the next five years minimum anyway.

And all of a sudden...