Steve Tuck

Actually, it's like, I was, so you were recording, trying to record 45 seconds, and Adam, it is really hard to say something.

Anything.

Anything in 45 seconds.

Maybe this is what the commenter on the podcast is trying to say.

I've been reading comments to that.

Yes.

Exactly.

That's right.

But it was really hard.

And so it took me like 30 minutes and I kind of had like something that was not very good.

And you were off doing something else.

And then just like, oh God, I can't, it took you 30 minutes to record 45 seconds.

I'm like, yeah, I'll come back here in an hour and a half.

when you are... Actually, no, you sat on the couch to watch it.

It was too tough to watch, honestly.

It was too painful to watch.

I can't... But the walk and talk is actually a great... And then 45 seconds feels like a more natural amount of time.

So, yeah, I like the walk and talk.

Yeah, you can't be 100% founder owned.

I mean, that means like, so that to us, for us to be founder owned and not rely on venture capital.