Steven Bartlett

I mean, I, you know, reduced my usage of Twitter because there was too much anti-Semitism and too much racism there.

And I didn't want to watch it anymore.

So, and I think many people, others have made the same decision.

You know, speech is a constant negotiation.

You know, what's acceptable, what's unacceptable.

And the norms do change over time.

I will agree to that.

What the autocrats try to do is something a little bit different.

It's not in this gray area of hate speech and free speech.

It's controlling the system itself.

You know, what are the boundaries of what people can see?

What platforms they have access to?

So the Chinese don't really, you know, what they're interested in is, are you criticizing the Chinese Communist Party?

That's the fundamental thing that they're controlling for.

Where would you go and could you get a visa to go there?

The Chinese do leave.

Well, think about it.

I mean, this used to be a problem for people in the Soviet Union.

I mean, okay, theoretically you could leave.

You could get an exit passport.