Steven Bartlett

I guess this begs the question.

What do you think of Sam Altman?

You did an interesting pause.

It's a pause where someone tries to select their words.

So for people that don't know, Dario now runs Anthropic, which is the maker of Claude.

A lot of people probably are more familiar with Claude.

You mentioned Dario there.

And I found it really, what I found really interesting is to look at how people's quotes evolve over time with their incentives.

So I was looking at all of the things they've said on the record on podcasts, in their blog posts, to see how it's evolved over time.

And Dario, who was the former VP of Research, OpenAI, and has now moved on to Anthropic, who are taking a slightly different approach to developing AI, said back in 2017, while he was still at OpenAI,

that, this is a quote, I think at the extreme end is the Nick Bostrom style of fear that an AGI could destroy humanity.

I can't see any reason in principle why that couldn't happen.

My chance that something goes really quite catastrophically wrong on the scale of human civilization might be somewhere between 10% and 25%.

And also you mentioned Ilya, who was a co-founder of OpenAI and then left.

I guess the first question I'd ask is, why did Ilya leave?

Have you ever spoken to him?

And back in 2019, he has a quote where he says, the future is going to be good for AIs regardless.

It would be nice if it was also good for humans as well.

It's not that it's going to actively hate humans or want to harm them, but it's just going to be so powerful.

And I think a good analogy would be the way that humans treat animals.