Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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Yeah, I know. Yeah.
Anyhow, my future book should interest you guys. Oh, what are you working on? No, it's not working on. It's actually going to come out. It deals with Israeli and Arab atrocities, war crimes, I call them, in the 48th war.
Just deals with that subject.
Well, it's marginal. It deals with that as well, but they have tried to seal off documents which had already used and seen. Now they don't let people see them. That's happened, but it's marginal in terms of its effect on production. Were the British archives useful for you for this new book? Yeah. Well, For this list, it's mostly Israeli archives.
The British and the Americans and the UN did deal with these subjects, but not as well as Israeli documents.
Those were the figures the British and the Arabs and the Haganah agreed on at the beginning.
I don't remember. Maybe it was, what's his name? Jacques de Rainier.
Yeah, maybe he came up with that number. But it was just, he didn't count. They didn't count bodies. They just threw the number out and everybody was happy to blame the Irgun and the Lehi for, you know, killing more Arabs than actually... Well, and they put it to good use as well. Well, they said that it helped to precipitate more evacuations.
They also used that number. Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Well, from my knowledge of the 120 years or so of conflict, the closest I think the two sides have been to reaching some sort of settlement appears to have been in the year 2000 when Barack and then subsequently Clinton offered a two-state settlement to PLO, Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat. Arafat seemed to waver.
He didn't immediately reject what was being offered, but ultimately came down at the end of Camp David in July 2000. He came down against the proposals and Clinton, who said he wouldn't blame him later, blamed Arafat for bringing down the summit. not reaching a solution there.
But I think there on the table, certainly in the Clinton parameters of December 2000, which followed the proposals by Barak in July, the Palestinians were offered the best deal they're ever going to get from Israel, unless Israel is destroyed and then there'll just be a Palestinian Arab state. But the best deal that Israel could ever offer them, they were offered.
which essentially was 95% of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, half of the Old City of Jerusalem, some sort of joint control of the Temple Mount and the Gaza Strip, of course, in full. And the Palestinians said no to this deal. And nobody really knows why Arafat said no. That is, some people think he was trying to hold out for slightly better terms. But my reading is that he was
constitutionally, psychologically incapable of signing off on a two-state deal, meaning acceptance of the existence of a Jewish state. This was really the problem.
Of a Jewish state. The Jewish state of Israel. He wasn't willing to share Palestine with the Jews and put his name to that. I think he just couldn't do it. That's my reading. But some people say it was because the terms were insufficient and he was willing, but was waiting for slightly better terms. I don't buy that. I don't think so. But other people disagree with me on this.
My response to your question would be... Wait, wait, they were being offered something like 22% or 21%.
He was recently thrown out of the State Department or whatever.
But rather than going into that, I'll just… He wrote that together with Hussein Ara.
Um, I feel like in 2000, I feel like the deal that was present, uh, at least at the end of the Taba summit, I think in terms of what Israel, I think had the appetite to give and what the Palestinians would have gotten would have definitely been the most agreeable between the two parties. Um,
I don't know if in 73, I'm not sure if the appetite would have ever been there for the Arab states to negotiate alongside the Palestinians. I know that in Jordan, there was no love for the Palestinians after 1970, after Black September. I know that Sadat had no love for the Palestinians. due to their association with the Muslim Brotherhoods, attempted assassinations in Egypt. Sorry, which?
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