Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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first heard Mar 2024
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At a meeting of the Israeli cabinet that, quote, we need to deal a blow that hasn't been seen in 50 years and take down Gaza, end quote. But again, if you click through and you read the source, their own linked source, it says, as per this own source, quote, the powerful finance minister, settler leader, Bezalel Smotrich, I can't pronounce his name,
demanded at the cabinet meeting late Saturday that the army, quote, hit Hamas brutally and not take the matter of the captives into significant consideration, end quote. Quote, in war, as in war, you have to be brutal, end quote. He was quoted as saying, quote, we need to deal a blow that hasn't been seen in 50 years and take down Gaza, end quote.
You can't strip the quotation of Hamas, an entity that you have war with, and then pretend that there's genocidal intent.
That's not how it works. That's not genocidal intent.
So when the Ukrainians say we need to deal with Russia. That's not genocidal. No. When Ukraine says we need to defeat Russia, is that genocidal? Do they mean killing all Russian citizens?
Because he held appeals to authority when it agreed with him, and we won't deal with the actual facts of the matter, ever.
After 1,200 of your citizens are murdered the way they were, I would expect extreme statements by lots of politicians.
What he said isn't Israeli policy. They let in water, they let in gas. I'm sure.
I don't know what it means. What does take down Gaza mean? We went to war with Iraq and we wanted to destroy Iraq. That was a genocidal statement. There's a reason why genocide is such an importantly guarded concept. And it's not to condemn every nation that goes to war.
He made you into an Italian all the time.
You should try learning it sometime. It would help you sort out a lot of the civilian deaths.
You could keep citing the judges. You should actually try reading the actual statements.
This is tiring. You've invited us to a tiring session.
There are major things to discuss here, not just what some court is doing and going to judge in two years time.
Yes. Okay. So what you just said is my whole, one of the reasons why I feel so strongly about this particular conflict is because there are really important things to discuss, but they will never be discussed. We're not going to talk about like area A, B, and C or what a transference of territory. Instead, we're going to talk about apartheid.
We're not going to talk about, you know, the differences in how do you conduct war in an urban environment where people... We're just going to talk about genocide. We're not going to talk about what's a good solution for the Palestinians. We're just going to say ethnic cleansing.
About solutions, I have no idea what to say. I mean, I don't see any solutions. You know, if you wanted a positive end to this discussion, which is what you said at the beginning, I can't contribute to that because I'm pessimistic. I don't see any way forward here.
But the solution is easy. The reason why the solution is hard is because the histories and the myths are completely, there's a different factual record, right?
But even at that, we're probably not going to agree. He's going to say, you could write that. I can predict the whole line. He's going to say from 93 to 99, he's going to say Israel didn't adhere to the Oslo Accords ever. Settlement expansion continued. Raids happened into the West Bank that there was never a legitimate, that Netanyahu came in and violated the Y memorandum, the transference.
He's going to say all of this and he's not going to bring up anything that Palestinians said. And then for Camp David, he's going to say that, yeah, that Arafat was trying, that the maps and the territorial exchange wasn't good enough, that they were asking Palestinians to make all the concessions that Israel would have made. Yeah.
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