Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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Sure. So this was taken from the from the South African complaint. There's tons of these. But so here's one in the in the complaint for the ICJ.
They said that on the 12th of October, 2023, President Isaac Herzog made clear that Israel was not distinguishing between militants and civilians in Gaza, stating in a press conference to foreign media in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, over one million of whom are children, quote. Quote, it's an entire nation out there that is responsible.
It is not true, this rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true, and we will fight until we break their backbone. End quote. If you actually go to the news article that... They even state they even link it in their complaint. The full context for the quote was, quote, It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true.
This rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It's absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime, which took over Gaza in a coup d'etat. But we are at war. We are defending our homes. We are protecting our homes. That's the truth. And when a nation protects its home, it fights and we will fight until we break their backbone.
He acknowledged that many Gazans had nothing to do with Hamas, but was adamant that others did. Quote, This is not the same as saying there's no distinction between militants and civilians in Gaza.
His statement here is actually fully compliant with international law to the letter, because if you are storing military supplies in civilian areas, these things become military targets and you're allowed to do proportionality assessments afterwards.
So this is supposed to be one of many quotes that they've shown that is supposed to demonstrate genocidal intent, but it is very easily explained by military intent or by a conflict between two parties. I saw that press conference.
Let me just say something. All of this talk is a bit irrelevant because it may sound to the listeners that the court in the Hague has ruled that Israel is committing genocide.
It's just going in the next few years to look at the whole subject. There has been no determination at all. And as Stephen says, some of the quotes are not exactly accurate quotes or taken out of context.
That's what you're saying.
That is not what plausible means. It is absolutely not. You're dead wrong.
The court is not asked at this present phase of the proceedings to determine whether South Africa's allegations of genocide are well founded. They're not well founded. They're not even well founded. You said that plausible was a high standard. It's absolutely not. It is a misrepresentation of the strength of the case against Israel, just like the majority of the quotes they have in this case are.
And also, you said it was an extremely well-founded case. They spend like one-fourth of all of the quotations, some even pulled from the Goldstone report, that actually deal with the intent part. Which is, by the way, I think you guys, I don't know if you use the phrase, the dolo specialis, that the intentional part of genocide. I don't know that term. I think it's called dolo specialis.
It's the most important part of genocide, which is proving the highly special intent to commit genocide. It's possible that Israel could- That's mens reum. No. The mens reum, yes. I understand the state of mind, but for genocide, there is, it's called dolus specialis. It's a highly special intent. Did you read the case? It is a highly special intent to be convicted of genocide. Yes.
And I think the suggestion... They also said it was plausible that Israel is committing a military operation as well.
In today's atmosphere, that's probably correct.
Today's atmosphere.
Judges go according to what the majority want to hear. He was a president.
They won't rule there was genocide. Remember what I said.
Also, I recommend people actually read the case and follow through a lot of the quotes that they just don't show genocidal intent. The Israeli minister of finance on the 8th of October, 2023. This is taken from the ICJ. This is from South Africa submission. I can't read this. There you go. Okay.
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