Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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first heard Mar 2024
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PLO and the Muslim Brotherhood? Sadat was upset because there were attempted assassinations by people in... Oh, no, an assassination. It was a personal friend of his, Yusuf al-Sibai. I can't pronounce that. He was assassinated in Cyprus by a Palestinian squad.
Admittedly, yeah, he says as much, belongs to a slender group, not the PLO directly, but I think that... There was a history of the Palestinians sometimes fighting with their neighboring states that were hosting them if they weren't getting the political concessions they wanted. The assassination of the Jordanian king in 51 might be another example of that in Jordan.
It feels like over a long period of time, it feels like the Palestinians have been kind of told from the neighboring Arab states that if they just continue to enact violence, whether in Israel or abroad, that eventually a state will materialize somehow. I don't think it's gotten them any closer to a state. If anything, I think it's taken them farther and farther and farther away from one.
And I think as long as the hyperbolic language is continually employed internationally, the idea that Israel is committing a genocide, the idea that there is an apartheid, the idea that they live in a concentration camp. All of these words, I think, further the narrative for the Palestinians that Israel is an evil state that needs to be dismantled.
I mean, you said as much about the institution, at least, of the Zionist government. Israel's government is probably not going anywhere. All of the other surrounding Arab states have accepted that, or at least most of them down in the Gulf, Egypt and Jordan, have accepted that. The Palestinians need to accept it, too. The Israeli state where the state apparatus is not going anywhere.
And at some point, they need to realize like, hey, we need a leader that's going to come out and represent us, represent all of us, is willing to take political risks, is willing to negotiate some lasting peace for us.
And it's not going to be the international community or some invocation of international law or some invocation of morality or justice that's going to extricate us from this conflict. It's going to take some actual difficult political maneuvering on the ground.
which they formally did in 1993. Yeah, but then no lasting peace came after that in 2000.
Sure, the Oslo Accords didn't have a final solution.
I think you're being a bit one-sided. Both sides didn't fulfill... The promise of Oslo and the steps needed for Oslo. There was Palestinian terrorism, which accompanied Israel's expansion of settlements and other things. The two things fed each other and led to what happened in 2000, which was a breakdown of the talks altogether when the Palestinians said no.
I don't agree, incidentally, with this definition of Israel or the Israeli state as apartheid. It's not. There is some sort of apartheid going on in the West Bank. The Israeli regime itself is not an apartheid regime. That is nonsense by any definition of apartheid.
No, it doesn't qualify. Apartheid is a race-based distinction between different segments of the population. And some of them don't have any representation at all, like the blacks in South Africa. No rights at all. In Israel itself, the minority, the Arabs, do have representation, do have rights, and so on. I don't think Israel is also genocidal. I don't think it's been genocidal.
It wasn't so in 1948. It wasn't so in 1967. And it hasn't been recently, in my view. And talk about dismantling Israel, and that's what you're talking about, is I think Stephen said it correctly, is counterproductive. It just pushes Israelis further away from willing to give Palestinians anything.
Everybody forgets Israel's atomic weaponry. I know, but... So how could they have been defeated?
He did, but it was hysterical and silly. Because Israel had atomic weapons. They wanted to stop the Syrians or the Egyptians.
The proposals changed during those two weeks.
There's never been a Palestinian state.
Sorry.
When has international law been relevant to any conflict in the world over the last 150 years?
Conflicts are not solved by international law or in accordance with international law.
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