Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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first heard Mar 2024
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It needs part of Sinai.
I think that the issue is when you apply international law or international standards, I wouldn't say what Benny Moore says that they're irrelevant. But I think that these have to be seen as informing the conversation. I don't think these are the final shape of the conversation.
I don't think historically Israel has ever negotiated within the strict bounds of whether we're talking Resolution 242, whether we're talking about any general assembly resolutions. That's just not how these negotiations tend to go.
You might consider international opinion on things, but at the end of the day, it's the bilateral negotiations, oftentimes historically started in secret, independent of the international community, that end up shaping what the final agreements look like.
I think the issue with this broad appeal to international law is, again, going back to my earlier point about all of the euphemistic words, all it simply does is drive Palestinian expectations up to a level that is never going to be satisfied. For instance, you can throw that ICJ opinion all you want. It was an advisory opinion. That came in 2004.
Have Palestinians gained more or less land since that 2004 advisory opinion was issued?
Both sides have to have a delegation that confronts each other and they assess the realistic conditions on the ground and they try to figure out within the confines of international law and what both sides are reasonable for. But like, for instance, this statement of like full retreat from the West Bank, what is it, 400,000 settlers? How many settlers live in the West Bank now?
Probably half a million. It depends if you include the Jerusalem suburbs or not. Yeah, 400,000 or 500,000 people are never- I think it's 700,000.
With the Jerusalem suburbs, perhaps.
We can say whatever we want until we're blue in the face, but half a million Israeli people are not being expelled in the West. It's not going to happen.
It's not true. It's not even true. The recognition from Palestine isn't doing anything for... Hamas totally rejects... I'm not talking about Hamas.
Hamas is the majority among the Palestinian people. They won the elections in 2006. Actually, they won a majority of the seats.
Every opinion poll today says the majority of Palestinians support the Hamas. That sounds right. And Hamas absolutely rejects Israel. So if Arafat in 1993 or whatever issued a sort of recognition of Israel... It wasn't a sort of recognition. Okay, a recognition of Israel. It's meaningless. It's meaningless. It's meaningless. Anyhow, I don't believe that Arafat was sincere about it.
Well, most Israelis do, and that does matter.
But Hamas says no, and Hamas is the majority state.
And they never changed their chart of the PLO. You may remember that. They supposedly abrogated the old charter, but never came up with a new one. So there was no new charter. But in 1996- And Farouk Khadumi said, of course, the old charter is still in force.
No, no. The bottom line is that Israel would like a Palestinian Sadat. It wants the Palestinians... This is really a worst-case scenario. Okay, let me just... Because they shot Sadat. But anyhow, the Israelis want the Palestinians to actually accept the legitimacy of the State of Israel and the Zionist project and then live side by side with them in two states. That's what the Israelis...
I don't even know if it's true. I don't even know if that's true today.
No, no, I'm saying I don't know if it exists today.
That's what Israelis want. They want a change of psyche among the Palestinians. And if that doesn't happen, there won't be a Palestinian state.
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